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Tuesday, October 13, 2009

And Now The Rest Of The Story

Well, maybe a little more on the story, how about that instead? We had quite a good discussion breakout on yesterday's post which was about an article in Time Magazine that averred for doing away with 401k plans because they essentially "don't work."

First things first, get rid of the 401k? No sale here. As one reader mentioned the company match alone probably makes it worth it. I wrote a theoretical post in January about investing 401ks in the cash option in such a way as to take full advantage of employer match and put whatever else you can save above and beyond the optimal amount for matching into an IRA of some sort.

The idea was that if you get $.50 on the first $6000 or $8000 or whatever that it is like getting a 50% return with no stock market risk (remember the theory was to just put it into the cash or stable value choice).

It is pretty clear to me that the wrapper is not the problem. A lot of plans have lousy choices which is not the wrapper it is emblematic of non, as opposed to mal, feasance on the part of someone at the company. The two biggest obstacles to success appear to be human behavior and unfortunate timing.

Behavioral issues are not confined to 401k participants. Are the endowment guys the smartest guys in any room they go into? Well whether they are or are not they collectively missed badly on understanding the consequence of having too much in illiquid assets. The combo of declines and future capital commitments to illiquid assets had meaningful effects on these schools.

Who doesn't know putting a lot of your money into illiquid, alternative assets is a bad idea? While we're at it who doesn't know that too much leverage is a bad idea yet very smart people get into trouble with these things all the time. For people willing to spend the time, many behavioral issues can be mitigated by learning from other people's mistakes. I learned all I needed to learn about leverage from the Long Term Capital affair. I don't know where my disdain for locking money up comes from but I don't even like CDs (not fear of failure thing but an access thing).

Further, as I have said many times before, every so often the market goes down a lot and many times this occurs after it has done well for a while. Although I have been mocked for this type of thinking the odds of a big decline are a lot less after a big decline and a lot greater after a big lift. A 12 year old can grasp this.

In September 2001 (that's right) I got laid off from Charles Schwab, best thing that ever happened to me professionally. I knew months and months ahead of time that there would be layoffs and that as a somewhat expensive employee not part of any diverse demographic I was vulnerable. I put my 401k all in cash in case things got so bad after the layoff that I'd need to tap that money to live on (thankfully it never came to that). Anyone, anyone can make tactical moves like that in their 401k. People need to take more ownership and a more active role in navigating their finances.

Things are different now, but not as different as some folks think. 401k accounts allow the opportunity for people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and in part determine their own fate but they need to invest time to do this successfully because clearly Time is right about one thing; investment results for most people have been bad.

As for the idea of planning to retire when it turns out the market cuts in half, there are no easy answers. At any point in time you have what you have. Nothing else matters (like what you used to have). If what you have when you need it is not enough then something has to give. While this situation is reasonably very depressing for people it does not change the reality. If you need $1.1 million and you only have $600,000 then something has to give. The circumstance of not having enough might matter to you but you can only live with what you have not with what you think you should have. If you live a $1.1 million retirement with $600,000 you will go bust quickly.

I can appreciate that this sounds very harsh but what other choice is there? If you do not have enough then something has to give. A lot of the writing here (smoothing out the ride) and elsewhere is about how to have a better chance of getting closer to whatever number you think you need. If you retired in 2008 and the equity portion of portfolio only went down 20% thanks to tactical action you took then your plan is much closer to being on track than many other people. And if you took tactical action described above then that means at some point you took the time learn something. Success or failure in this regard has nothing to do with the 401k wrapper.

For a little context on where I come from on this, my parents made horrible financial decisions in their 30s and 40s which I have learned/benefited from. Being rich doesn't have to mean having a lot of money because I don't. It can mean having very little overhead which means a greater margin for error as you accumulate your savings. I never want to stress out about money, living a $2000-$3000 monthly lifestyle, regardless of income, makes this much easier to do.

14 comments:

Jim L. said...

Roger: Looks like the public pension managers are also not always the smartest guys or gals in the room: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/10/AR2009101002360.html?nav=hcmodule
Just as it has exposed all the Ponzi schemes, the recent financial crisis a has exposed faulty strategies across the board. It may not be a "sel-correcting" mechanism, but it certainly is a correcting mechanism of some sort.

Anonymous said...

I know a rather a person with a simple minded approach to his retirement that buys high dividend yielding equities. I know he is not sufficiently diversified but he lives simply and just keeps adding to his investments regardless what the market does.

His plan is to never spend more than he receives in dividends and again not worry about what the market does.

Anonymous said...

I think the person referred to by Anon 6:53 AM is on to a winning strategy that can probably work, except for the occasional major expense that comes along to all of us (ex: need to buy a car, major health problem, unanticipated major repairs to the house, etc.). For the major expense, he will probably have to sell something; hopefully, it will be only a small percentage of his portfolio.

Stephen Drone said...

There's nothing wrong with the "contribute enough to get your match then go elsewhere" approach, but it limits your tax advantaged savings. You can only contribute $5k max to an IRA yearly. Most companies (or maybe it's just the ones I work for!) don't match that much. So the solution is to come back to the 401k AFTER filling the IRA, or then go to either a variable annuity or a tax advantaged account.

Maybe it'd be nice to raise contribution limits for low/middle income people. I dunno.

winslow said...

I think most all of the participants on this blog can do a fairly good job with their 401k. However, I listen to other employees discuss finances and many, many are not prepared for investing their funds.

Anonymous said...

I agree with taking the 401(k) match, filling the IRA, and then coming back to the 401(k). After that though, I have a hard time agreeing with a variable annuity (or an annuity of any type) for 99% of people.

What's wrong with a just a simple taxable brokerage account? Come up with a simple asset allocation that works for the investor and adjust it when necessary. Trade very little in the account and taxes (as they are right now 15% LTCG) aren't that bad.

If the allocation is relatively conservative, or if the horizon is long enough, this account can be used to fill in the "I lived too long" gap.

Roger Nusbaum said...

annuities; not my first choice or even my fourth choice.

Anonymous said...

Winslow said

"I think most all of the participants on this blog can do a fairly good job with their 401k. However, I listen to other employees discuss finances and many, many are not prepared for investing their funds."

True, but my sister in law spends several hours each week taking care of her yard and it is beautiful. My yard has weeds.

I spend several hours each week researching and taking care of my 401k and other investments and these investments are beautiful and will fund our retirement. My sister in laws 401k and investments have metaphorical toxic weeds.

People choose their destiny by how they prioritize things during their life. you have half a century to get a retirement portfolio established if you work to 70. If you choose to neglect something this important you have foolishly squandered countless oppourtunities.

Anonymous said...

nothing in life is guaranteed...
I too try to learn from others
mistakes....but:

a married couple, both teachers,
nice pensions getting ready to retire...one even taught drivers ed
and worked summers so they would get extra $$ in SS. House paid off
...no debt....kids grown...college
paid off...you get the picture.
Well, the husband started not feeling too great...within months
he had $2 million in medical bills and the insurance company said "Enough." So no heart transplant for him.

Enjoy your life...each day.

Bill B said...

I don't understand the last comment. Because you might have some bizarre illness that runs up 2 mill in health expenses you should be fiscally irresponsible in the name of enjoying your life each day? Or did I completely miss the point?

Anonymous said...

Public health insurance. We need it badly. You missed the point.

Anonymous said...

Or in haiku:

The public option
we need it very badly
you missed the point sir.

Anonymous said...

"I don't understand the last comment. Because you might have some bizarre illness that runs up 2 mill in health expenses you should be fiscally irresponsible in the name of enjoying your life each day? Or did I completely miss the point?"

Heart disease is not a bizarre illness. There is something between being "fiscally irresponsible" and extremely frugal. I've seen too many old
ladies taking that special vacation
ALONE and too many men dying young
working themselves to death.

Matthew said...

Correction, make that "men dying young *eating* themselves to death".

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